tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5761720971433980858.post2089095974203123861..comments2023-11-03T05:08:58.618-07:00Comments on Let's Go Birds: Attendance "debate"Thunnexhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13789566664956835210noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5761720971433980858.post-18292088307881899172009-01-24T12:20:00.000-08:002009-01-24T12:20:00.000-08:00Tbirds talk yes, hockey talk yes...Personal attack...Tbirds talk yes, hockey talk yes...<BR/><BR/>Personal attacks back and forth no... I'm just not going to put up with it, it's crappy discourse and I'm not going to encourage that here.<BR/><BR/>Everyone knows there is a good way and a poor way to have civil and honest debate and I'm going to expect and uphold that standard here...Thunnexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13789566664956835210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5761720971433980858.post-52951497698310941512009-01-24T11:43:00.000-08:002009-01-24T11:43:00.000-08:00Relax Tyler!Let them go at it. If this blog is not...Relax Tyler!<BR/><BR/>Let them go at it. If this blog is nothing more than a T-bird love fest nothing changes. Isn't that what blogs are all about?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5761720971433980858.post-29635595372827836192009-01-23T09:39:00.000-08:002009-01-23T09:39:00.000-08:00Hey guys... if you want to have a personal debate....Hey guys... if you want to have a personal debate. Go over to the forum, don't do it here. <BR/><BR/>I don't care and I don't want to see it.<BR/><BR/>If you have a problem or an issue with the front office or the fine people that work for them... call them yourself. I can't do anything for you.<BR/><BR/>If we can't keep the comments relevant... I will just turn the comments off or I will moderate them and I really don't want to have to do that.Thunnexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13789566664956835210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5761720971433980858.post-58496015511306440042009-01-23T09:07:00.000-08:002009-01-23T09:07:00.000-08:00Geez, you complain about the price of your ticket,...Geez, you complain about the price of your ticket, you complain about the price of the beer, you complain about the "medicocre" team on the ice and you complain about the horrible organization. What they h*ll are you doing coming to the games? Oh yeah, complaining. I'll call the T-birds and tell them to put the gun away they are holding to your head, that forces you to attend.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5761720971433980858.post-46069993280825052802009-01-23T05:12:00.000-08:002009-01-23T05:12:00.000-08:00I'm not buying beer. I'll leave that up to you sin...I'm not buying beer. I'll leave that up to you since you have an abundance of cash.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5761720971433980858.post-20749341678819915702009-01-23T02:31:00.000-08:002009-01-23T02:31:00.000-08:00Opening the building mid season might not have hel...Opening the building mid season might not have helped.<BR/>When everett started the economy was much better of.<BR/>Another thing i keep thinking about, is how the Comcast arena stands out, you see it from I5 and 2 for miles, whereas Showare is almost hard to find, the constant reminder of seeing the building might help with sales.<BR/>I live in Kent and have seen almost no marketing whatsoever, they could at least put flags/banners at Kent station to start with.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5761720971433980858.post-77313490564537425802009-01-23T00:34:00.000-08:002009-01-23T00:34:00.000-08:00The T-birds are 12-5-0-1 at home this year, I woul...The T-birds are 12-5-0-1 at home this year, I wouldn't think that is mediocre. They are 5-1-0-1 at the Sho.<BR/><BR/>If you are buying beer in any arena/stadium then you really shouldn't be complaining about ticket price.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5761720971433980858.post-35168928548925285972009-01-23T00:05:00.000-08:002009-01-23T00:05:00.000-08:00BTW the south end papers are not "Daily's" they ar...BTW the south end papers are not "Daily's" they are some weekly and some bi-weekly some are called the "reporters". It costs very little to put an add and a coupon in them. But I'm sure the marketing staff and ownership group you so want to defend knows all about them since those papers started covering the team a little since they came to Kent. <BR/><BR/>The media in Seattle will never put these guy's ahead of High school sports unless they actually win something. That's the great thing about managing and coaching this team.... no media.....no pressure to win and the merry go round continuesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5761720971433980858.post-84245505197977561182009-01-22T23:55:00.000-08:002009-01-22T23:55:00.000-08:00I realize that you maybe a bit limited in your mat...I realize that you maybe a bit limited in your math skills as well as other skills we won't mention here. But the way I choose to add it up 1 car with 4 or 5 people in it costs $5 at the Key to park. Those same 4 to 5 people at the Sho costs $8 to $10 more to get in. Yet I park for free. Thats minus $3 to $5. I'm glad it's nothing for you to pay more in midseason to watch the same mediocre product. Why don't you just give the ownership a blank check? <BR/>I feel bad for you that you always come to the game alone and can't understand those of us who have a family to bring. Why don't I get your name and number and you can buy me a beer next game?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5761720971433980858.post-67740042378875427422009-01-22T19:44:00.000-08:002009-01-22T19:44:00.000-08:00What south sound papers in the Kent area have thei...What south sound papers in the Kent area have their own daily newspaper? If you are talking about the Tacoma News Tribune, they put themselves in the same boat as the Seattle Times when it comes to the pecking order for covering teams. <BR/>So you could park across the street for 5 bucks and that is no big deal but you are complaining because the T-birds are charging an extra 2 bucks at ShoWare? They are saving you 3 dollars.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5761720971433980858.post-1156824644740931792009-01-22T19:15:00.000-08:002009-01-22T19:15:00.000-08:00Brian... look bud... I'm all for free speech but t...Brian... look bud... I'm all for free speech but that comment was in relatively poor taste and I will not tolerate that here on the blog. Keep it clean and I don't have a problem letting people voice their opinions.<BR/><BR/>Quite frankly... I'm sick of this attendance debate, don't most of you just want to focus on the two big games this weekend?Thunnexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13789566664956835210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5761720971433980858.post-53227844375519172072009-01-22T17:32:00.000-08:002009-01-22T17:32:00.000-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5761720971433980858.post-46816151160308827492009-01-22T14:09:00.000-08:002009-01-22T14:09:00.000-08:00Absolutely brutal marketing and planning on behalf...Absolutely brutal marketing and planning on behalf of the T-birds management. I agree we need to give this some time, but if you are going to move to a working class suburb and market yourself as family entertainment, you have to give families a reason to come. They are not going to get families to come with the current pricing structure and what amazes me is hearing before they moved in that they expected 5,500-6K for the rest of the year. Somebody better tear up the current strategy and start on Plan B.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5761720971433980858.post-72027358409049939912009-01-22T13:20:00.000-08:002009-01-22T13:20:00.000-08:00To anonymous above....Don't think the T-Birds deri...To anonymous above....Don't think the T-Birds derived any money from parking at the Key. Also I could park right across the street for $5not a big deal! what is a big deal is paying more money in the middle of the season for a ticket. Then add in the concessions that my family would spend I'm behind. More importantly it's the idea that your changing fan bases and trying to attract "NEW" fans. With no deals out there how do they attract new fans? I do understand that this has been a rush deal and they don't have a Everett size newspaper but all the south end cities do have local papers which have added aliitle coverage of the team. And i know for a fact that advertising in those local papers is cheaper than the Everett Herald.<BR/>BTW from what the police have said to me outside the arena don't expect parking to be free forever.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5761720971433980858.post-84985177318582016242009-01-22T11:59:00.000-08:002009-01-22T11:59:00.000-08:00I think it is pretty unrealistic to expect a sell ...I think it is pretty unrealistic to expect a sell out every night. I would say that we should expect near sell outs and friday and saturday nights.<BR/><BR/>So far I like the atmosphere at the Sho, even when there are only 3k people it is still capable of being loud and doesn't feel empty.<BR/><BR/>I also don't think $22 for a ticket is outrageous and it is only up $2 from when they were in Key Arena. And it is only $15.50 a ticket if you get season tickets for most of the seats.<BR/><BR/>The only thing I wish for the T-birds fans is that the new ones get educated on how to act at a hockey game.<BR/><BR/>MarcAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5761720971433980858.post-31554144229038131702009-01-22T10:17:00.000-08:002009-01-22T10:17:00.000-08:00If you look at the records over the past five seas...If you look at the records over the past five seasons, Seattle and Everett are comparable in the W-L column. So, to say that Everett always puts a winner on the ice and Seattle doesn't, is false. The Silvertips have a huge advantage in that the community has its own newspaper and radio station where they are mentioned or talked about almost daily. That puts them constantly in the public's mind. And it may still say Seattle on the front of the jersey but they are now in all reality,the Kent Thunderbirds. To say this team has a huge advantage in the population dept. is false. They are not going to get the people living in Seattle to come to Kent for a major junior hockey game. They have to get the people of Kent and the surrounding areas. This means marketing to a whole new fan base, the majority of whom don't know the T-birds exist or know nothing of the game of hockey. I believe the team is going to market this club to the entire south sound but moving in mid-season puts them behind the 8-ball in that regard. I'm not sure, when you consider parking is free, that the ticket prices are that unreasonable when compared to other teams. Most teams get a percentage of the parking fee, so when the parking is free, you have to make up for it somewhere else.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5761720971433980858.post-74181314572521455822009-01-22T10:11:00.000-08:002009-01-22T10:11:00.000-08:00Clearly we go to hockey for different reasons. I g...Clearly we go to hockey for different reasons. I go to watch the game and see the boys continue to improve year after year. Some of them to the point where they play in the show. That's the product that I watch. <BR/>I guess you go for the bells and whistles, party favors and head count. As far as the pricing, well we are fortunate to still have a team. If it takes them some time to recoup their losses of the key then so be it. They will figure it out. Not having the seating capacity that EveRATT does they have to price accordingly. Thus fewer cheap seats. Once again, I'm sure they will figure out that behinds in the seats are better than nothing. But that will come with time. You see you are the perfect example of why the Bird fans and Tips fans can't stand each other. As soon as you left you couldn't wait to bash on this organization. Go play with your cow bells & bobble heads and be happy. And let us enjoy the game.4thebirdshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06588275854465434184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5761720971433980858.post-3598650364964533952009-01-22T08:13:00.000-08:002009-01-22T08:13:00.000-08:00There are some major differences that I think you ...There are some major differences that I think you are missing. I am an ex-T-Birds season ticket holder who has become an Everett season ticket holder. There are many reasons why I did that. The first is that Everett acknowledges their fans, especially their season ticket holders. Not once was I acknowledged as a season ticket holder in Seattle.... they even took away the season ticket holder gifts. Another reason is that Everett puts a good product on the ice year after year. You can't really say the same for the T-Birds. A third reason is ticket prices. I can get two season tickets for the price of one if I stayed in the seats I had in Seattle. That says a lot. Seattle has priced themselves out of the market and a time like this, that is a huge mistake. I never see Seattle advertise. Everett on the other... I recently saw a commerical for them while watching MTV. I hate to say this, but Seattle is horribly managed. I have even heard that out of past players that played for more than just Seattle.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5761720971433980858.post-52770916644423030622009-01-22T08:06:00.000-08:002009-01-22T08:06:00.000-08:00If the Birds had waiting until ALL things were fin...If the Birds had waiting until ALL things were finished we wouldn't have been in our new building this season. As you can tell from game to game there are improvements each and every game. All the little details are being added. My understanding is the reader board out front is in the hands of the city council waiting for a decision on what type to go with. That will be the biggest draw, just letting people know when there is a game. This is a work in progress, you can't compare it to Everett since they had time on their side to get all their ducks in order before the drop of the puck. Seattle had a season already under way with a deadline they didn't even know until a few weeks before. They had to move into a new arena while still trying to be operational. So cut them some slack. Just because things haven't happened as quickly as some might think, it doesn't mean they don't have plans under way.4thebirdshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06588275854465434184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5761720971433980858.post-39717820696578973092009-01-21T23:58:00.000-08:002009-01-21T23:58:00.000-08:00I was talking to a friend today and he brought up ...I was talking to a friend today and he brought up something that I didn't even think of. Why on earth isn't their a reader board out front letting people know when the next game is. <BR/><BR/>I mean a new building went up and it looks nice and shiny but what is going on there when (not everyone are web surfers even though people who aren't I would consider mental lol).<BR/><BR/>I will say that I do understand the economic downturn and though I don't have to worry about bringing multiple people to a game I can easily see why this is a huge problem.<BR/><BR/>(btw Tyler I think you are doing a great job as always)Kodihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12530094650260889519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5761720971433980858.post-61524268259161664762009-01-21T22:51:00.000-08:002009-01-21T22:51:00.000-08:00I am a Kent resident and new T-birds fan and have ...I am a Kent resident and new T-birds fan and have been to a couple games at the Sho and think it's a great product. However, the ticket prices are too high in this economy for a family and you would think they would offer some 2 for 1 deals on the weekday games to at least get some new fans interested. Less than 2,500 at a game for a new arena is embarassing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5761720971433980858.post-2996300795472569182009-01-21T22:31:00.000-08:002009-01-21T22:31:00.000-08:00Tyler I also appreciate all your hard work on this...Tyler I also appreciate all your hard work on this blog. It makes interesting reading for all of us local hockey fans.<BR/><BR/>The fan #'s issue.... I've been to two of the games in the new arena and am very happy for the players to finally have a place to play in that suits their league and provides them with a little atmosphere to help them. <BR/><BR/>I'm a south ender who waited until they moved to see any games this year. I have ran into a few friends who are new to the Thunderbirds fan base just because they are in Kent. That said..... I have a family of four and at $22 a ticket can't bring the family to more than a couple games a year. the $16 tickets are too few to come by to sit four together most weekend games. Where is the family plan? some kind of gimmick? a little originality? a ticket with a free hot dog? Tie a meal with a local pub or something? show some kind of good will to the local community your trying to court.<BR/><BR/>The lack of marketing is unbelievable! How about a two for one in the Kent Reporter? All they've done is rush into a new arena with no plan other than to RAISE TICKET PRICES! and bleed the already loyals of more of their hard earned $.<BR/><BR/>This organization needs a complete overhaul from front office to coaching. The idea of raising prices mid season in an entirely new market in a blue collar town is beyond rediculous and takes away from the good job they did putting this deal together in the first place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5761720971433980858.post-55590144154396651482009-01-21T18:03:00.000-08:002009-01-21T18:03:00.000-08:00i am kind of at a loss to answer " what would you ...i am kind of at a loss to answer " what would you suggest they do differently"? i am so hopeful that this new rink is the answer. i think it will be, it is just that i am perplexed with regards to the attendance (or lack thereof) in the first soon to be 7 games.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5761720971433980858.post-2539059865568727142009-01-21T17:25:00.000-08:002009-01-21T17:25:00.000-08:00I have no problem whatsoever with that opinion... ...I have no problem whatsoever with that opinion... and like I said... I want it to happen very badly as well..<BR/><BR/>I'm just saying... I think you can make a strong case that they are similar situations and I would be patient and say that in a few years we might have what we are looking for.<BR/><BR/>What would you suggest they do differently?Thunnexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13789566664956835210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5761720971433980858.post-16798981296535873282009-01-21T17:21:00.000-08:002009-01-21T17:21:00.000-08:00tyler let me preface what i am about to say by sta...tyler let me preface what i am about to say by starting with this; i absolutely love your work. i very much appreciate your time and effort. i read daily and contribute (comment) occasionally. you are an asset to the team and community. thank you for all you do and keep up the great work.<BR/><BR/>you and i are on different sides of the fence on this attendance debate. i was one of those (and posted as such) who thought the SHO would "sell itself" for the remainder of the season. obviously that has not been the case. as i type this (2 hours before face off) there are over 3,000 tickets left for the kamloops game tonight. this game has some (if only minor) playoff implications. so it appears that the team is looking at another low 3,000 turnout. that is so very poor. i truly do feel sorry for the team and management.<BR/><BR/>i don't think the comparison (to everett and the attendance) is fair in a couple of aspects. they were an expansion team. basically dressing other teams "cast-offs" (no disrespect meant to any of the players involved). the city had no history or ties with hockey in anyway shape or form. also, they did not have two first round draft choices to come out and support. along with many other talented players the t-birds dress night in and night out. there can be no comparison on the talent level (inho). everett was a group of over achievers who came together and played quite well. kudos to them for that. this years bird team should draw in this rink and shown no indication of doing so at this point.<BR/><BR/>another factor is you can't compare the area each team has to draw from. seattle has a huge advantage in the population in a 20-25 miles circumference from the rink. i have come down to the SHO for 3 games from mukilteo for gawd sakes, and will be at portland game on saturday. as one goes greater distances from the rink(s) the numbers just pile over to seattle's side. there is no way that a major junior hockey team with seatlle on the front of the sweater should be averaging less than 4,000 in a brand new facility.<BR/><BR/>i want this team to succeed in the worst way. everyone involved in the on and off ice product deserves it. but they are off to a very inuaspicious start attendance wise. they could not be better (hardly) record/point wise. from the win/loss stand point the lack of attendance is very scary. i have always been a believer of win and thy will come. that has not been the case yet. but we both know that will change, the question is when?<BR/><BR/>thank you again, for all of your tremendous work and keep it up please.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com