tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5761720971433980858.post5414571171707127606..comments2023-11-03T05:08:58.618-07:00Comments on Let's Go Birds: Youth Matters, but how much?Thunnexhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13789566664956835210noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5761720971433980858.post-61078718619040387182010-02-18T17:10:20.146-08:002010-02-18T17:10:20.146-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Mr Tell13https://www.blogger.com/profile/13706265045018584883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5761720971433980858.post-16317987101795673642010-02-18T17:09:45.127-08:002010-02-18T17:09:45.127-08:00that is a great concern tbirds117, I can understan...that is a great concern tbirds117, I can understand that as fans you see the last month or so and you are thinking, how can this team be a contender 8 months down the road? I think its all about 3 things:potential, work ethic and coachability. these kids do have the potential, they just need to gain experience and hone it. that is where the work ethic comes in. One thing that is good about this stretch of loses is that not one of theses guys are going to want to go through that again, and i am sure that good leadership will come out of that group and they will be able to push one another on the ice. Then there is the coachability part. One thing that I do believe is that at this level and up, there is no real bad coaches. Just players who do not listen or execute. The worst coach (with players who follow is gameplan exactly) in the league is going to have more succes than the best coaches with a few head cases. Now there is a time that when no one listen , you need to move on but I don't think this is the case here.Mr Tell13https://www.blogger.com/profile/13706265045018584883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5761720971433980858.post-832481926565515272010-02-18T15:55:18.986-08:002010-02-18T15:55:18.986-08:00I like the data and applaud you for putting in all...I like the data and applaud you for putting in all that time. Although I don't think you need to prove to anyone your point. I can't really see anyone that has followed the WHL for a long time really disputing that a younger less experienced team will not fare well, seems to be common hockey sense to me, but oh well. As for the coaching I have to agree that Sumner is not a bad coach, however the WHL probably has the best coaching you can find at the junior level and that goes a long way into developing long stretches of dominance in this league like what Don Hay has done in Kamloops and Vancouver... I think what has fans on edge that I hear is not so much why we are bad this season, most of us knew that coming into the season. I think it's more are the young guys we have really going to be impact players in the WHL, or are we stuck in an even longer rebuild. Most people can tolerate seasons like this if they think it will help them eventually be a title contender. Of course like you are stating with age and experience we will get better, but do the young guys have that talent and skill level that seperates an ok or good team from a great team? I think that's the biggest concern I hear from fans. I personally think it's a little early too judge but I am curious to hear people's thoughts on some of the young players and how they are going to progress. I mean really that's all there is left to talk about "this season".tbird117https://www.blogger.com/profile/05838308109909951276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5761720971433980858.post-67384463864419567172010-02-18T10:19:49.696-08:002010-02-18T10:19:49.696-08:00No problem at all. I think it is important to thi...No problem at all. I think it is important to think "critically" about anything, including my own work.Thunnexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13789566664956835210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5761720971433980858.post-4132428669287275442010-02-18T09:57:33.838-08:002010-02-18T09:57:33.838-08:00The word criticism has an adverse tone to it and I...The word criticism has an adverse tone to it and I certainly don't feel that way about your work on this... I think that using actual age just might further validate the directions the numbers are taking you...Marty Aaltohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137798869229239571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5761720971433980858.post-48594362769875090232010-02-18T09:43:44.595-08:002010-02-18T09:43:44.595-08:00Yeah I think that is fair criticism. It is certai...Yeah I think that is fair criticism. It is certainly far from perfect.<br /><br />However, I think the data is just SO strong that any errors or changes that might happen from counting players by their hockey years as opposed to breaking it down by month probably isn't going to change the data that much.<br /><br />I haven't done the research on this but I suspect that most teams are front loaded on players born in the first 3-4 months of the year and that this fact means the data wouldn't really change enough to change the simple conclusions.<br /><br />Plus... while you are completely right that a December player is essentially a year younger than a January player, fact is that the league treats them as the same.<br /><br />Still a completely valid point though because if 6 months has such a huge impact... the difference between drafting a December player and a January player is HUGE.<br /><br />Also valid that players don't develop the same. This is very true... but I think that fact is probably smoothed out looking at every team in the league. Like I said... there are always exceptions to the rule and teams that are above and below the "line" are most certainly the result of things like good coaching, player development, trades, management, etc.<br /><br />Teams that do those things well put themselves in position to overacheive the "line". It still doesn't change the basic conclusion that taking all other variables out, Age has a huge impact on team success.Thunnexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13789566664956835210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5761720971433980858.post-42028586116780189912010-02-18T09:31:06.322-08:002010-02-18T09:31:06.322-08:00Tyler - first of all thanks for tackling this issu...Tyler - first of all thanks for tackling this issue. I have a small problem with methodology, if you are using hockey age as opposed to actual age... in hockey a 1/1/199x birth date is the same as a 12/31/199x but when looking at how players develops - i.e. getting better as they get older, the 12/31 player is a year younger than the 1/1 player... I think actual ages would be better to be analyzed... The other factor that can't be handled mathematically is that not players improve as they get older... I'm sure we all can think of players who came onto the scene going great guns and then plateaued... Keep up the great work - it is appreciatedMarty Aaltohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09137798869229239571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5761720971433980858.post-3059854404238266862010-02-17T19:00:54.728-08:002010-02-17T19:00:54.728-08:00You lost nme for a bit in there but I got the jist...You lost nme for a bit in there but I got the jist. Thanks for the hard work! VERY interesting datakentfan4https://www.blogger.com/profile/17639306991727852737noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5761720971433980858.post-64012821219490353432010-02-17T18:50:51.000-08:002010-02-17T18:50:51.000-08:00Sooooo,
are you saying that losing Boyer, trading ...Sooooo,<br />are you saying that losing Boyer, trading Parker,Sena and Warg might have "statistically " screwed the team short term (per what your data is saying)?<br /><br />great post!Mr Tell13https://www.blogger.com/profile/13706265045018584883noreply@blogger.com