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3.29.2012

Where do we go from here?


Time to (finally) wrap up the season.  Obviously, everyone was a tad disappointed that the Tbirds weren't able to make the playoffs and didn't manage to play better over the 2nd half of the season.  That being said, I believe there are a handful of reasons to be cautiously optimistic for the next few seasons. Here is where I think the team goes from this point forward:

First, the good news... by missing the playoffs, the Tbirds put themselves in a position to win the Bantam Draft Lottery. The smart money is on Mathew Barzal being selected by Seattle but there are a few other names that I imagine would have an outside shot at being taken by Seattle. Barzal is a natural scorer who should be able to develop into a high point producer by the time he is 17 or 18. I watched some scouting film on him and was impressed by his skating and scoring ability. He is a tad on the smaller side at 5'9" and 152 lbs but smaller skaters don't really bother me too much when you have this much skill.  Chances are good he will probably grow as well.

There are some other names to keep your eye on and some players that Seattle will most definitely target with the #20 and #25 selections in the draft... but Barzal is almost a lock for the top pick.  For all Bantam Prospect news, you should really visit the Western Elite Hockey Prospects blog.

Getting a kid like Barzal is exciting but he won't be a factor until the 2013-14 season at the least. Let's take a look at what we might see out of Seattle in 2012-13.

We have to consider the situation with the 20 year old players.  Calvin Pickard will not be back. Dave Sutter will not be back as a "two-spotter" and I don't expect Braeden Laroque to be in the mix either. That leaves 4 players for 3 spots and I wouldn't be surprised to see all 4 come to camp and battle it out.  Brad Deagle is pretty much a lock in my mind. Seattle will need some veteran presence on defense next season and Deagle logged some very good minutes for the Tbirds this season.  Luke Lockhart is the captain and despite the lack of offensive production, I wouldn’t be very surprised if returned as captain next season. I know that some fans lament 20 year old captains that don't score a lot (see: Nielsen, Lindsay) but if you take a look around the WHL, you dont necessarily see a lot of 20 year old players leading the league in scoring. Yes, yes, I'm aware that Shinnimin lead the league in scoring and he was 20 years old, but following him was Stone (19), Rattie (18), Hughesman (20), Weal (19), Holland (19), Etem (19), St. Croix (18), Ferland (19) and Bartschi (19).  Having a 20 year old who scores a ton is clearly beneficial, but often times if your 20 year old is that good, he’s playing in the AHL (see: Pickard, Calvin). I wouldn't say that Lockhart is a lock for the roster, but I would be very surprised if he didn’t make it back.  That leaves Brendan Rouse and Chance Lund battling it out for the 3rd and final spot on the roster. Earlier in the year I thought Chance Lund was making a very good case for being the guy for that final spot but as the season wore on, Lund seemed to wear down and his point production slowed as well. He tallied 17 points in the first 24 games of the season and then only 15 points in the final 43 games. Rouse, who can kill penalties and is a responsible two way player and would project out to nearly the same point total as Lund over a 72 two game season. My best guess: Deagle for sure, Lockhart likely, Rouse tentatively, and Lund needing a big camp to prove he belongs on the team over Rouse.

Import Draft: The QMJHL will select first in the Import Draft followed by the WHL and OHL subsequently.  Seattle will pick 3rd in the WHL rotation which will be 8th overall in the draft and 8th in the 2nd round as well.  Last season, Gatineau selected RW Tomas Hyka 8th overall and he posted 64 points in 50 games with Gatineau. Keep in mind that the QMJHL is generally a higher scoring league than the WHL. So Seattle should be able to pick up one pretty useful top 6 forward with their 8th overall selection. Very few teams select in the 2nd round of the draft, but one of the teams that did last season was Tri-City who selected Malte Stromwall. Stromwall had 27 points this season for the Americans. Seattle will likely select a player with their 2nd round pick but I wouldn't expect much out of that selection. I wouldn't be surprised to see Seattle select a defender with their top pick to help round out the depth.  I also wouldn't be terribly shocked to see them select a goaltender but it might be tough to convince a goaltender to come over to play for a young team that just finished beating up Calvin Pickard.

The rest of the squad projects out in this rough form.

Defense - Deagle (20), Wardley (18), Theodore (17) and Hauf (17) are locks. Green should have a chance to stick but he needs to improve and they might try him as a forward as well. Kevin Wolf will likely have a very good chance to make the team and I have to hop that 2nd round selection Austin Douglas has improved. When I look at the defensive depth of the team I can't help but feel like Seattle probably needs to select a defender with one of their Import selections. Either that or draft a forward and trade one of the current forwards for a depth defender.

Offense - Lockhart (20), Jacobs (19), Alos (19), Swenson (19), Sanvido (19), Doty? (19), Elliot? (19), Hickman (18), Troock (18), Honey (18). That is amazingly 10 forwards who could be back without including any 17's or 16s. I'm not convinced that Elliot and Doty will be back but if they each go home and work on their strength, conditioning, skating, flexibility, etc. they will probably be back. That leaves very few spots left and that is also the reason why I half expect to see a forward traded for a defender.  Gropp will hopefully sign and be here next season. Daniel Wray will probably get a long look in training camp and Michael Holub played very well in camp last year and could be a possible 16 year old on the roster next season.

Goaltending - Cotton (18) and.... ummm... I'm not sure.... Danny Mumaugh was in camp last year as a 15 and I know he visited and likely practiced with the team toward the end of the season.  Beyond that I'm not really sure where they might go here.  Nolan Kruizenga was in camp last year as well but neither him nor Mumaugh would be expected to be a starter as a 16 year old. Cotton has a HUGE opportunity here to work his tail off over the summer and seize the starting job for the Tbirds. Don't be surprised to see Russ acquire a veteran goaltender or possibly pass over Rouse and Lund and sign a 20 year old tender to solidify the back end.

As for a wrap on this season. I have to say that I was disappointed with how the team played but I wasn't very surprised. I think we all expected a lot more scoring out of players like Burke Gallimore, Colin Jacobs and Luke Lockhart and for whatever reason that simply didn't happen. Jacobs never seemed to get back on track after his off-season shoulder surgeries and maybe a full summer of hockey training will do him a lot of good. His skating and speed needs to improve a lot to take his game to the next level. He has a good  shot and pretty good hands as evidenced by hit goal scoring success in the shootout. The problem seems to be that he finds it very difficult to create quality chances during live action.  Gallimore just never seemed comfortable this season. I think it would be unfair to generalize his play as being without effort but I think it would be fair to say that his play was generally uninspired. Lockhart worked hard but didn't see the results that we all thought we might see. Let's not forget that the first half of the season was marred (in my opinion) by Marcel Noebels constantly trying to do everything himself and getting traded out of town in one of the better deals that General Manager Russ Farwell has made in a while.

There is reason for hope.... Connor Honey played inspired hockey after joining the team at mid-season and should only continue to improve. Branden Troock has loads of talent and just needs to figure out how to correctly use it. Seth Swenson was almost an afterthought in the Noebels deal and turned in 17 points in his 34 games with the Tbirds, including 10 goals. Jared Hauf didn't show much in the way of offensive prowess but showed that with improvement he should eventually turn into a shutdown top 2 defender. Shea Theodore is a work in progress and made plenty of 16 year old mistakes but also lead the team in assists, becoming the first Thunderbirds rookie to lead the team in assists since a guy named Thomas Hickey. Evan Wardley improved a ton over the course of the season and looks poised to grab a hold of a top 4 spot next season and become an intimidating physical force on the ice.

I'm not going to sit here and tell you that Seattle is headed for the Memorial Cup next year... but I do believe that most of their best players in the 2nd half of the season were their younger players. If those players continue to get better and veterans like Jacobs and Lockhart bounce back and have good seasons next year, this team should find themselves back in the playoffs provided that they find a goaltender to give them a fighting chance between the pipes.

Bonus content:

I meant to do some playoff predictions and then I got sick. Three of the first round series' are over and 4 more are on the verge of being over. Vancouver/Spokane is the only series tied at 2 games each.  This makes "predictions" a lot easier but I'm going to do it anyways.

In the Western Conference, the Americans took care of the Tips and will face the winner of the Vancouver/Spokane series while Portland will have home ice advantage for their series with the "#2" seeded Kamloops Blazers. I think Tri wins their series no matter what and I think Portland takes care of Kamloops in 6 games. I believe Portland will then defeat Tri-City in the Western finals shocking the Americans one or two times at the Toyota Center and advancing to the WHL Finals.

In the East, I think the Oil Kings are extremely tough and won't likely have very much trouble with Brandon (likely winner) to reach the Eastern Finals. Moose Jaw will have an extremely tough time with Medicine Hat and Emerson Etem and I think Medicine Hat will pull off an upset and reach the Eastern Finals where Edmonton will prevail to play the Winterhawks.

In the WHL finals... I really believe that Portland is the best team in the WHL but I think it might be too tough to prevail against the Americans and the Oil Kings without home ice advantage. Portland makes it extremely tough but the Oil Kings prevail in game 7 in Edmonton to win their first WHL Championship.

Then again... what have I said all season long... what do I know?

29 comments :

Anonymous said...

Did you forget about Justin Myles? I thought he had a very good camp last year and could be in the mix for a goalie spot. Didn't Elliot finish the season as a defenseman?
What do you know, if anything, about forward Dylan Gambrell? I read s story on the Univ. of Denver hockey site and it said the Pioneers won the recruiting war over the Thunderbirds for his services. Did the T-birds list him? I don't remember him being drafted. The kids is apparently from Seattle and gave DU a commit but he's only 16. I remember DU also posted a story last summer about winning the recruiting battle for Conner Honey and we know how that turned out. Do you know if the team has listed any other kids on the fence between the WHL and college?

Anonymous said...

Thanks for your thoughts and insights - refreshing really
Hope you are feeling better

Anonymous said...

Pickard nets his first win in the AHL....

http://www.cleveland.com/monsters/index.ssf/2012/04/lake_erie_sets_scoring_record.html

Anonymous said...

Tyler-thaks for another year and all that you do. Job well done sir.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for another season of giving us a place to talk hockey. And for all your observations. It's always nice to read what you think Tyler. Has some credit when it comes from someone who straps on the skates. :-)

Anonymous said...

I echo the other kudos. Nice work. I know you do t do it for the money or glory, simply for the love of the game. I always look forward to seeing your posts, and for the most part, agree with your observations. Thanks!

Anonymous said...

I have to add, another great season for your blog. You should look for employment with one of the local papers...you do definitely do a better job then the local press. Thanks for the rap-ups this season....

Anonymous said...

Let's leave Tyler here on his blog. You do know that newspapers are dying out? The Seattle P-I is gone and the Times is a shell of its former self. There's a reason there is no coverage of the T-birds in the newspaper; they've laid off all their reporters because newspapers are losing money. Most people get their news free online now. Newspaper subsriptions are waaaaaay down.

Anonymous said...

Hey Tyler. I have a question for you, and my apologies in advance if you have already adressed this before. I agree with you in regards to the GM situation. Russ won't be stepping down and even if he did he would still have his hand in everything. That being said, do you go back every year thinking he might finally have the right team in place, or do you go back because you are a loyal T-Bird fan who loves hockey? In other words, do you think he has the ability to compete with the better GMs in the league and build a winner?

Thunnex said...

Two part answer.

A) I go back every season (and will always go back every season) because I'm a die-hard hockey fan who will always watch Tbirds hockey win or lose (winning preferable).
B) I actually think Russ CAN build a decent team here. I'm not convinced that he can build a WHL Championship team because I haven't seen him do it yet.

Please keep in mind that the following is only my opinion...

I believe that moving into ShoWare required that Russ' attention be pulled in additional directions that we will never fully be able to understand and that he trusted and allowed his scouting department to do the majority of the Bantam scouting and draft selections.

That's not to say Russ didn't also scout and didn't also have some opinions on things but I think he trusted his staff to make draft recommendations and he took them... and quite frankly I think his scouting department let him down. Ultimately, the buck stops at Russ but I think he has assembled some good teams (perhaps not great) in the past 10 years and we wouldn't have a team to root for had it not been for Russ.

So settle in... get used to Russ being around and hope he can get the job done and bring us a winner.

Keep in mind that a lot of the most vocal "complainers" are the same group that said everything was Rob Sumner's fault and that getting a new coach was the only thing keeping the Tbirds from glory. Well... how'd that work out??

Anonymous said...

I feel like I am in a AA meeting. Hello, my name is Dan. I am a vocal critic of Russ, owner and GM of the Thunderbirds. I understand that he is not going anywhere but I still need to complain. Never mind that he can't recruit, some blame the scouts, quality players to bring this team up to standards of the WHL but we are constantly reminded that he is the OWNER and can treat this team as his personal hobby project. Does Russ want to win? Sure, what owner want's to have a losing team? Russ tries hard to win but he is incapable of winning. Just look at past history since he took ownership and GM responsibilities. Want more evidence, look towards attendance...fans are tired of having a home team lose by great numbers and not being able to compete. Attendance has dropped over 700 fans this year. Could it be the newest of the ShoWare Center or the lack of a competitiveness of the team. I'll let you decide.

Sorry, if this current streak continues, we all may be attending Portland or Everett games in the future because Seattle will cease to exist.

Anonymous said...

Tyler,

Any chance you will be filling the new vacancy at 710ESPN? I hear they are looking for a new T-Birds blogger.

It would certainly be an upgrade.

Thunnex said...

I can say with 99% certainty that you will not see me taking that job. I get along very well with the front office (and would like to keep it that way) but I want to maintain the independance to say whatever I want (within the bounds of professionalism).

When you take that job, you indirectly work for the team and you answer to an editor... neither of which I have any interest in doing.

Don't worry though... I'll still be here writing as much as I possibly can.

Do you guys really want more interviews with Russ where he repeats the same answers over and over? I could do that... I just don't particularly find that interesting.

Interviewing Russ each month and asking the same combative, leading questions, isn't really my idea of quality team coverage. Just my opinion of course.

Anonymous said...

Tyler, you wouldn't have to ask the same combative, leading questions. You can ask him why the concessions don't sell pizza. Just joking of course.

Tyler, you and Drinnan have always been the first places I go to when I want to read about the team and hockey in general. Keep up the good work.

Thunnex said...

Ha. I truly appreciate the compliments. I have done Q&A's with Russ in the past... might be time for another one just to see if anything interesting pops up.

Anonymous said...

Gee Russ what happened this season. Well we had Verdino go down. So that accounted for the team having close the fewest goals scored in the league and giving up among the most? Well what are you looking for with that? Well have you considered like maybe there is a conflict of interest in being evaluated by yourself? Yeah but it works out good for me!

Anonymous said...

More like this.........

Blogger: Russ, you haven't been able to field a competitive team lately and you've never won anything of note in Seattle. Why wouldn't you consider stepping down as GM?

Russ: Well, I did my homework before becoming majority owner. I know this market well, and therefore knew that no matter what kind of teams I put out there, people would come. They can bitch and moan, but when push comes to shove they show up. I'm still making money even with a poor team, and I plan on making more money when the team performs better. No need for me to consider stepping aside and I won't.

Anonymous said...

Actually, Tyler, if you become a reporter/blogger for 710 ESPN, you need to remain non-biased. So you can feel free to speak your mind without the front office complaining. As much as you report now, this may be a way to earn some extra money while seeing hockey for free and may get some road trips. Speaking of one that complains to 710 ESPN about their lack of Thunderbird coverage and I have complained a few times this year, you would be my first pick. Question would be...do you have a radio voice for those 'rare' occasions that they decide to actually talk hockey on their network? Think about it...you have an impressive resume with your blog.

Anonymous said...

I know firsthand that ESPN 710 did not pay the T-bird blogger. All he got was a press pass. They have no plans to pay his replacement, if there even is one. And while he quit because he didn't feel they backed him up on his last blog regarding why Farwell should step down as GM, the fact they wouldn't pay him is another reason why he quit. If he was getting paid to write that blog he would have stayed.

Anonymous said...

Um, he didn't quit he was fired, even said so himself in the comments section of his last post.

Dave B said...

I bet Portland now wishes they put a better package together for Calvin, Caruth has been horrible in the playoffs so far, Game 7 tomorrow.

Anonymous said...

Dave B - you must be eating your words now as Caruth was the best player on the ice in Game 7. He won the game for them....

Anonymous said...

As long as Seattle continues to have size as their top critiera for most of their draft picks and trades they will not ice a competetive team. You need to mix in some speed and skill - the teams that win have that - Seattle scouts continue to draft big guys who are gritty in high rounds instead of leaving them to later rounds like other teams. You need skilled guys who can skate in those early rounds then throw in a big guy on each line. Not the other way around....

Anonymous said...

According to Drinnan, here is where things stand with Gropp and Barzal:
"The Seattle Thunderbirds hold the No. 1 selection in the WHL’s bantam draft and are expected to use it on F Matthew Barzal of the Burnaby Winter Club Bruins. In fact, I am told that Barzal is expected to visit Seattle this weekend. . . . F Ryan Gropp of Kamloops, who was taken sixth overall by the Thunderbirds in the 2011 bantam draft, has yet to sign with Seattle. He visited the University of Denver last weekend and also has visited Colorado College. His father, Brent, played at Colorado College. Ryan is believed close to a decision but his father has said they are looking at this process as a marathon as opposed to a sprint."

Hopefully Gropp is really considering Seattle. His twitter pages seems to point towards college.

Anonymous said...

his twitter account says "future player for Penticton Vees on BCHL"

Anonymous said...

Huge mistake playing in a lower level of hockey I think...why wouldnt someone want to play the highest level possible?? you still get school paid for playing in the dub!!! Him, Barzal and Theodore would light the league up in a few years on the PP

Anonymous said...

Would the birds be better off trading Gropp's rights to another team at this point to get something for him? He was the 1st round pick in last years draft so it seems that he should have signed by now even though his dad says they are taking their time in this decision.

Anonymous said...

Penticton Vees have such a good team and keep signing huge american prospects to join the team. I really feel Gropp will kinda get lost in the shuffle next season with all these americans playing in Penticton. He has a chance to come to Seattle and be THE MAN there!!... Seattle is going through some rebuilding. He also has a late birthday so he can get 3 full seasons in before his NHL draft. And i totally agree with the above statement that Gropp, Theodore and possibly Barzal would totally rip up the league.

Anonymous said...

Can we trade Russ? lol...j/k

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